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How I dress my distaff.

The following is a photo report (wow, this word makes me think of my youth and those crappy romance photo stories in teen mags) of how I dress my distaff. Please be aware that this is a work in progress and a technique still in development, and that there are probably fifteen gazillion other methods that are at least as suitable as mine, if not better.

I start off with my distaff, which is a stick with a few notches cut in at the top to reduce slippage. The notches are a horizontal cut at the bottom, then a sloping cut downwards to meet the notch, resulting in something like a tiny shelf. Attached to the stick is a linen band about 1.5 m long (I used small copper nails to attach it). The band helps to secure the fibre evenly and give the necessary little friction.
I start by placing the distaff somewhere suitably flat; a table or the floor will do. I've chosen mixed brown wool for this, about 42 g of it.

In my experience, you can use the fibre that sticks out from the bottom of each band and the fibre still touching the band, but usually not the fibre sticking out above the top. So I position my wool accordingly: I place the end of my top at the upper edge of the band, put my hand down on the band and pull the top away, leaving a bit of fibre on the band.
I work myself along the band in this way with a first layer of fibre.
I then go back and forth, evenly layering the fibre into the thinner spots, not going too thick with the layers. (I have not gathered enough experience yet to know how much you can load on without it getting awkward.)
I leave the last hand width worth of the band without fibre
and then I start rolling up the distaff.
Rolling is done with only the gentlest pressure, and without tensioning the band (at most, I put on enough tension to just keep it properly straight). You can roll up with tension, but that may prevent you from drafting out easily - I've had more success with going easy on the distaff when rolling it.
Roll until you can roll no more, resulting in something like Cousin Itt with a nice headband, and secure the end of the band (I used a modern pin for it here).
That's it. You can go spin now. The band may shift with spinning, developing into a spiral that sort of droops down the distaff. Thus, after a while of spinning, it might be necessary to adjust the distaff - I do that by gently unrolling and re-rolling the band.

If you try this method or a similar one, I'd be delighted to hear about your experience!
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kareina (website) on Wednesday, 15 January 2014 10:07

I hope you have a follow up post planed on how one gets from there to spinning. I am guessing that one takes fibre from the distaff and somehow moves it to the spindle, but I can't tell from this part if you are taking it randomly from any part of cousin It, or if you intend to take it sequentially, in the same order it was placed on the band, or what...

I am also curious to know how much time this distaff dressing process takes, and how much spinning time one gets from it. I gather from other posts of yours that it used to be that "everyone" used a distaff, but for modern spinners it is not so common to use one (though becoming more common again as more historical reenactors experiment with them?)

Is there a savings in total time when using a distaff? (e.g. while dressing the distaff takes time, the spinning part goes enough faster as a result of having done so to make it worth it) Is there an improvement in the quality of the spinning (I am guessing "yes", since I imagine that it would be easier to be consistent as to how much fiber is added per second to the spun yarn).

(you might recall from the first Textile forum that I have seen a fair bit of spinning in action, but don't actually spin myself due to having too many other things I want to do with my time and not enough time to do them, so, perhaps, my questions are too basic as a result, but reading this raised them, so I thought I would ask.)

I hope you have a follow up post planed on how one gets from there to spinning. I am guessing that one takes fibre from the distaff and somehow moves it to the spindle, but I can't tell from this part if you are taking it randomly from any part of cousin It, or if you intend to take it sequentially, in the same order it was placed on the band, or what...

I am also curious to know how much time this distaff dressing process takes, and how much spinning time one gets from it. I gather from other posts of yours that it used to be that "everyone" used a distaff, but for modern spinners it is not so common to use one (though becoming more common again as more historical reenactors experiment with them?)

Is there a savings in total time when using a distaff? (e.g. while dressing the distaff takes time, the spinning part goes enough faster as a result of having done so to make it worth it) Is there an improvement in the quality of the spinning (I am guessing "yes", since I imagine that it would be easier to be consistent as to how much fiber is added per second to the spun yarn).

(you might recall from the first Textile forum that I have seen a fair bit of spinning in action, but don't actually spin myself due to having too many other things I want to do with my time and not enough time to do them, so, perhaps, my questions are too basic as a result, but reading this raised them, so I thought I would ask.)
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opusanglicanum (website) on Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:39

I think how you dress it depends upon type of distaff too - i often use a short one for roman etc, which is a different matter again

the slippage makes sense though, cos you see pictures of distaffs sometimes with a spiral

I think how you dress it depends upon type of distaff too - i often use a short one for roman etc, which is a different matter again

the slippage makes sense though, cos you see pictures of distaffs sometimes with a spiral
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Cathy Raymond (website) on Wednesday, 15 January 2014 21:49

Thanks for this post! It is very clear and educational. I plan to experiment with spinning someday soon, and I wanted to have a better idea how to use a distaff.

Thanks for this post! It is very clear and educational. I plan to experiment with spinning someday soon, and I wanted to have a better idea how to use a distaff.
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a stitch in time (website) on Thursday, 16 January 2014 07:26

Thanks for your comments, everyone!

kareina, if you look at the post from two days earlier, you will find an explanation of the spinning technique that goes with the distaff, and also why the distaff is that important for medieval spinning.

opusanglicanum, yes of course it depends, I'd dress a Roman hand-held one differently, too (I have had okay success with just winding a slim length of top around it, for example).

Thanks for your comments, everyone!

kareina, if you look at the post from two days earlier, you will find an explanation of the spinning technique that goes with the distaff, and also why the distaff is that important for medieval spinning.

opusanglicanum, yes of course it depends, I'd dress a Roman hand-held one differently, too (I have had okay success with just winding a slim length of top around it, for example).
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Panth (website) on Thursday, 16 January 2014 20:02

This is VERY useful indeed! It gives me plenty to think about and to play with. (Also, it does look quite a bit like the medieval manuscripts!)

Thank you so much!

This is VERY useful indeed! It gives me plenty to think about and to play with. (Also, it does look quite a bit like the medieval manuscripts!)

Thank you so much!
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Edralis (website) on Thursday, 13 March 2014 16:35

Sorry if you already addressed this elsewhere - what's your stance on spinning straight from the roving? I started spinning with standard merino, and I just wind a continuous length of roving around a broomstick and secure it by tying it over with a band. It seems to work well, although I need to rewind or reposition it once in a while to keep the fibers easily draftable.

Sorry if you already addressed this elsewhere - what's your stance on spinning straight from the roving? I started spinning with standard merino, and I just wind a continuous length of roving around a broomstick and secure it by tying it over with a band. It seems to work well, although I need to rewind or reposition it once in a while to keep the fibers easily draftable.
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a stitch in time (website) on Thursday, 13 March 2014 16:38

Edralis, that might depend on your spinning technique. With the two-handed drafting technique with fully suspended spindle that is the most common technique with modern hand-spinners, winding roving around a broomstick works well. I tried wound-around-stick dressing with the reconstructed historical technique described in the post two days before this, and it did not work at all for me. Your mileage may vary, though - which technique do you use for spinning?

Edralis, that might depend on your spinning technique. With the two-handed drafting technique with fully suspended spindle that is the most common technique with modern hand-spinners, winding roving around a broomstick works well. I tried wound-around-stick dressing with the reconstructed historical technique described in the post two days before this, and it did not work at all for me. Your mileage may vary, though - which technique do you use for spinning?
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Edralis (website) on Friday, 14 March 2014 07:11

Thank you for the fast answer! I try to do the medieval-type spinning, albeit note that I am not very good at it. Here is a (very indulgent) video of me trying to spin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_tblg9dT2w&;feature=youtu.be Unlike what I do in the video (spinning while standing), I usually lean the distaff/broomstick against a piece of furniture and kneel beside it (and usually read fanfiction on my computer while at it ). I manage to spin fairly strong and thin yarn, although it's not super regular, and not as pretty or strong or thin as I'd like. I manage to control the "riding-up" of the spin by pinching the fiber tightly and drafting it out and only releasing it when the pulled out piece of fiber is of the required thinness and attaches to the rest of the roving in a way that doesn't encourage the spin to move upwards - usually there are pieces of fiber attached to the yarn from all around the edges of the roving, which is kind of bunched up in a peak, so when I release the spin it jams against the bunch, instead of riding up along a narrow band of fiber. It's hard to describe it, so sorry if I am being incomprehensible... Or when the riding up does occurs I pinch the fiber and pull it out and reattach it somewhere else, although the join is always rather chunky. Oh, and the yarn tends to do this: http://imgur.com/a/osjSn, and I am not sure if it is a good thing for it to behave like that, or whether I maybe overspin it? I would like to be able to make yarn that is usable even when not plied, but I can't imagine working(e.g. weaving) with this amount of twist. Sorry for the length, lots of things on my mind about the process

Thank you for the fast answer! :) I try to do the medieval-type spinning, albeit note that I am not very good at it. Here is a (very indulgent) video of me trying to spin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_tblg9dT2w&feature=youtu.be Unlike what I do in the video (spinning while standing), I usually lean the distaff/broomstick against a piece of furniture and kneel beside it (and usually read fanfiction on my computer while at it :D). I manage to spin fairly strong and thin yarn, although it's not super regular, and not as pretty or strong or thin as I'd like. I manage to control the "riding-up" of the spin by pinching the fiber tightly and drafting it out and only releasing it when the pulled out piece of fiber is of the required thinness and attaches to the rest of the roving in a way that doesn't encourage the spin to move upwards - usually there are pieces of fiber attached to the yarn from all around the edges of the roving, which is kind of bunched up in a peak, so when I release the spin it jams against the bunch, instead of riding up along a narrow band of fiber. It's hard to describe it, so sorry if I am being incomprehensible... Or when the riding up does occurs I pinch the fiber and pull it out and reattach it somewhere else, although the join is always rather chunky. Oh, and the yarn tends to do this: http://imgur.com/a/osjSn, and I am not sure if it is a good thing for it to behave like that, or whether I maybe overspin it? I would like to be able to make yarn that is usable even when not plied, but I can't imagine working(e.g. weaving) with this amount of twist. Sorry for the length, lots of things on my mind about the process :)
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a stitch in time (website) on Tuesday, 18 March 2014 06:58

Edralis, try dressing your distaff differently or at least pre-drafting your fibre a little bit to loosen up the fibres. You should not need to draft (as in pull) with the distaff hand - for me, that's the effect of moving the spindle hand, the distaff hand just controls fibre flow and twist insertion. If you need to pull, your fibres are too much sticking to each other.
Also it's perfectly normal for yarn to twist up on itself. Anything that does not do that is usually called underspun (even by modern standards). The twist will set over time or through wetting the yarn and letting it dry, and weaving with high-twist yarns like that is possible. For tablet-weaving or sewing, though (or knitting, should you be inclined to that) plying it will be a good idea.

Edralis, try dressing your distaff differently or at least pre-drafting your fibre a little bit to loosen up the fibres. You should not need to draft (as in pull) with the distaff hand - for me, that's the effect of moving the spindle hand, the distaff hand just controls fibre flow and twist insertion. If you need to pull, your fibres are too much sticking to each other.
Also it's perfectly normal for yarn to twist up on itself. Anything that does not do that is usually called underspun (even by modern standards). The twist will set over time or through wetting the yarn and letting it dry, and weaving with high-twist yarns like that is possible. For tablet-weaving or sewing, though (or knitting, should you be inclined to that) plying it will be a good idea.
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